The F*ck If I Ever Travel to Arizona

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The F*ck If I Ever Travel to Arizona

Are we all totally horrified by Arizona's new law? I'm of indeterminate race, and gender (sometimes). I'm the kind of person that gets stopped by the TSA, ask Diana. People speak Spanish to me all the time. No Habla. I failed high school Spanish, because my American born Chinese and Korean people all spoke Engrish dammit!

I can see it now some white cop pulling me over in Phoenix for not having my birth certificate. Eff YOU! I was born in Kenya and I'm a Muslim Mexican drug dealer!!! And my Chinese ancestors curse you Guilo!



Comments [30]

Rusty's picture

Seriously‽

How can anyone say that this law will enforced without racial profiling‽ I'm Sicilian-American with olive skin. I've been stopped 6 times by La Migra. I didn't think to ask what made them suspect I was here illegally. I wonder what it was? This will take some cogitating — NOT!

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

minniesota's picture

Wrong answer to a very big problem

The provisions in the law are too vague and set up a suspect class of people based on ethnicity.  I hope it will struck down in the courts.

Now I ask everyone go tell Congress to get off it ass and work on immigration reform. We Mexican-Americans have been begging for reform for years and would like clear path to citizenship for those have come to this country peaceably and worked their asses off for little money or respect.

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

There's two sides to the story

Legal citizens are literally the minority down here. The bill would not have been supported by 70% of AZ voters something would have been done about it long ago when asked. 

Speaking from someone that lives 45 minutes away from Juarez, Mexico, I might can explain why this situation has reached this extremity. 

Although, I may not agree with racial profiling, our government has been doing it for years mixed in with the BAU departments. Do I think they should be doing it in AZ? No, only because there are stupid people in lower branches of law enforcement that would use it as a means to discriminate as apposed to others that wouldn't. 

This area has been asking for help from Washington concerning illegal immigrates coming over from Mexico for a long time. We've begged and pleaded--and nothing. Now, our systems are being tapped out by the US providing income support to a large majority of Mexico's citizens--while neglecting it's own. I know NM is having to cut our school system budgets because there's just no more money to give.

People in the North are saying this and that but they don't live here and do not understand--Our states have asked for help and got nothing so when extremist offer extreme measures as a solution, people are so frustrated and become desperate enough to actually take it--and then people are appalled and shocked about this? It was easily predictable. The Government neglected this issue and now look what we've got. It's like how the skin-heads recruit it's members--look for a neglected or abused child that's vulnerable to manipulation. Well, AZ is that neglected child along with NM. Nobody cared about this before this bill was passed--nobody cared about what is going on in our states or offered support or help on both sides of this issue. 

And shame on the rich white folk for hiring and exploiting desperately poor illegal immigrants that accept less pay (under the table) and encouraging more to migrate over without proper documentation. Where does that leave low-income US Citizens struggling to get work when Mexicans are doing it for less pay?

Crime is becoming too much for some to deal with. I know three people in AZ that's had a total of six vehicles between them stolen in the short time they've lived in Tucson. They are stolen, taken over the border and sold. Then they come back to live and steal some more. Good luck keeping a car stereo or a new vehicle in the nicer neighborhoods of El Paso--and here in Cruces, too. They'll strip your care down in seconds as you sleep. And you wake up thankful they stayed outside and didn't come in. That's just the lesser violent crimes committed around these parts, too. 

The situation in Juarez has been long going before anybody in the North or main stream media even heard about it or bothered to acknowledge it. And it's spilling over across the border into our neighborhoods. The Mexican Cartel has moved illegal soliders over and put them up in nice middle class neighborhoods to hoard their drugs for distribution on our streets. What happens when it all goes bad? They put their goons in big SUV's to come get them with their machine guns, tie them up--in front our children playing in their front yards--riddle the house full of bullets and take them across the border, cut their hands off and lay them on the streets of Juarez to bleed out.

They do that to Mexican-American citizens, too--if they cross the line. A friend of mine, being one of them. They cut off his hands and hung him upside down to bleed out slowly and a week later found in the back of a truck outside of Hobbs.  Local activists or reporters (Mexican-Americans included) that speak out against the cartel are sent death threats. Think this isn't going to spread further up into northern neighborhoods? 

City, County and over-all Government jobs (here) are given to a huge percentage of individuals that are not qualified for the job and have no experience or equal education to handle their positions. Why do they have these jobs? Because they were the better candidates of all the bilinguals that applied. Who does that hurt overall?: EVERYONE of all ethnicities.  

Ask around here and you'll see a large majority of Mexican-American citizens are more disapproving of the illegal immigrants migrating over the border, than whites are. 

I'm torn about all this because I know how they struggle in Mexico and they are human and deserve a better life but the bad is starting to outweigh the good in the situation and something needs to be done. We are literally being  flooded with Mexico's citizens on a daily basis.

We want our safety, jobs and piece of mind back. Not all of us agree with this bill but are just looking for a better solution in order to manage this problem. We need help. 

 

Tex's picture

Thank you for this, Olivia!

Although compelled, I did not write "this response" to this blog. As a white American, I knew my comment would not have been taken in the context that it should have.....which, when I think about it, is what all the fuss is about, isn't it? Racial profiling? Certain 'races' having the privledge to live and comment to certain 'races'?

 We can create a firestorm here, but no one condones racial profiling - no  one here does. The people in Arizona don't. The problem in Arizona IS the epidemic of crime. American citizens of Arizona are at their wits and economic ends to a problem that has excalated into enormous proportions and problems. Just as the citizens of New Orleans literally begged our federal government for years to 'fix the levies', the citizens of Arizona's begs for help have gone 'unheard'. If the problem is not "confonted" and  'fixed' we will have a 'Katrina' in Arizona! 

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Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Thanks Tex

I appreciate your response.

Girl, I really don't think AZ intended for the bill to actually be implemented and was kinda 'poking the bear' (federal government) to listen and take notice. IT's a cry of frustration. 

What most don't realize is that A LOT in the bill is good. 

You know, I've been referred to as this and that for speaking up about my views concerning his bill and I totally get why AZ did it. A lot won't speak up about it b/c they're 'white' and fear being labeled a Nazi or racist. I finally just told a few, "I know what I am and I know what I'm not so your opinion of me is misguided and non of my business." 

I debate this subject with many of my Mexican-American friends with parents of illegal immigrants and we always find common ground. 

mickey06's picture

...

I also question the legitimacy of the law as something to stop crime when I see this being pushed in its wake:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100430/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1885

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Ah well

Come down here and live for awhile and you'll understand it's legitimacy to stop crime.

I don't say that with hostility or any kind of negativity but I feel if more were exposed to it then they'd feel differently.

I do appreciate your response and point of view, though. That is said with much sincerity.

Take care all,

Olivia

 

mickey06's picture

Greater Clarification

I think I need more clarification on a couple of your points so that Im sure I understand what it is you are saying.

 

"Although, I may not agree with racial profiling, our government has been doing it for years mixed in with the BAU departments. Do I think they should be doing it in AZ? No, only because there are stupid people in lower branches of law enforcement that would use it as a means to discriminate as apposed to others that wouldn't."

Are you saying that you agree with racial profiling or no? When I read this and you state that "our government has been doing if for years", it sounds like a justification and hence a nullification of your previous statement that "I may not agree agree with racial profiling". Actually the use of the term "may" makes me ask the same question as well since "may" does not read definitively. I am also not sure in what ways racial profiling may be used that does not inherantly discriminate. In order to racially profile, you must utilize stereotypes and blatant misrepresentations of racial categories in order to stop, apprehend, or question. You have to think that something is wrong in a particular situation, due soley to a persons race, in order to act. This seems to be always problematic in my opinion.

You also state that "People in the North are saying this and that but they don't live here and do not understand--Our states have asked for help and got nothing so when extremist offer extreme measures as a solution, people are so frustrated and become desperate enough to actually take it--and then people are appalled and shocked about this?" You are completely right, I do not live in Arizona. However, Im not sure I can buy the argument that there is EVER a circumstance where the rights of individuals and their claim to dignity should be abridged. You say that the situation in Arizona is untenable for the citizens that live there. Ok. But in what way does allowing for people to be treated the way this legislation is calling for solve the situation? It will be citizens that will be unduly harmed by this as well. Citizens that are brown or black, speak with an accent, wear the wrong shoes (Rep. Brian Bilray) will be the ones stopped on the street and asked for their "papers".

 

Lastly, when you say  that we should "Ask around here and you'll see a large majority of Mexican-American citizens are more disapproving of the illegal immigrants migrating over the border, than whites are." I wonder if you understand the differing levels of power, the history of racist discrimiantion, and the fear that is involved with that statement. Of course Mexican (and other latino) Americans are going to be vocal advocates of this law. You know why, because this issue puts them under greater scrutiny. Now it is their burden to prove their patriotism and loyalty to this country so that they and thier families are safe. This is not unlike "the politics of respectibility" that Black people in this country have employed to keep their families safe or the "the politics of homonormativity" that Queers around the nation are employing currently. The thought is "we are targets if we do not prove ourselves", that it is necessary to dress a certian way, speak a certain way, marry and procreate in ways most similar to dominant culture. This mode of life is necessary because of hate, because people arent allowed to live with surveilance and threat of censure. As the child of immigrants, I know this way of life. It is detrimental in the long run. The question is why do Mexican Americans feel the need to be more outspoken? Because their silence will be read as cause for suspicion, and next thing you know, someone will be knocking on their door and asking for their "papeles"

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

In response Mickey

Took me some time to come back Vp to read replies. I've been debating this issue a lot lately, and I'm a little exhausted from it. I will do my best to add on to what I stated before. 

Let me answer this this one: "The question is why do Mexican Americans feel the need to be more outspoken? Because their silence will be read as cause for suspicion, and next thing you know, someone will be knocking on their door and asking for their "papeles"  

Yes, most those I've heard on local news and radio have no problem being asked for their papers. Radio hosts, friends of mine, my community in general has stated over and over again, that they don't mind showing ID. 21% of Latinos in AZ support this bill. You saw a lot of protests concerning this bill May 1st, all around the country...didn't see many in El Paso or NM.  There's a reason for that. People are closer to the violence and want something taken care of. Dem and Rep don't want to touch the subject until after elections so this situation may not be taken care of for awhile. Obama promised to have some kind of Immigration reform established in his first year in office and it hasn't happened. 

Most in the southern states business owners that hire illegal immigrants don't want any kind of reform because they get slave labor and offer no medical benefits. Example: A friend of my family has a sister living in Phoenix and she was working for a company that hired illegals from Mexico by the the hundreds. Now, these individuals did not speak or read English and are operating machinery that's only instructions and warnings are provided in English. A woman got most of her hand cut off and the owners didn't want to take her to the hospital but instead call their own 'doctor' to come 'stitch her up'. Now, my families friend's sister begged them to take her to the hospital and finally they agreed and took her away...she never went to the hospital and she never came back to work. 

One thing about this bill is that people that hire and exploit illegal immigrants punishments have been increased by 300%. Good thing, no? I think so. AZ tax payers fund more than $150, 000 million to house illegals from Mexico in their prisons...

Now the misconception about this subject is that all against this bill isn't for immigration reform. That is false. Most just wish to have guidelines for citizenship. Have programs that help those get their citizenship. Classes to teach English that do not cost a fortune. If you commit a crime then you're out. So on and so forth. Learning the language is a big thing because many citizens in this area are not getting jobs because of language barriers. 

Main stream media leaves a lot out concerning the issues going on with illegal immigrants migrating from Mexico. The farmers that are threatened and the one that was killed on his ranch--the homes in Phoenix being invaded by hungry desperate illegal immigrants that kill the home owners for food and a place to stay. The human trafficking is an issue as well. 

Oh, and some of those elected officials asking to 'boycott' their own state (AZ)...is known to have connections in Juarez. I won't go too far into it, b/c like I said before...around here you just don't talk shit about what's going on across the border. Not too safe. 

I said it before and I'll say it again: If you're not from here and been affected by it and see things happening all around you then you don't understand. I find it arrogant that some point their fingers at AZ when they don't have a clue of the way of life down here and all they know is what main stream media reports and LEAVES out. 

I stand firm with this. The federal government has failed in this manner and if anyone is to blame then look back at the previous administration and our current one for letting it get this far out of hand. 

I'm not a racist, Nazi, Democrat nor Republican but I sure as hell think this bill is going to get the federal government to do something about the issue and I welcome it with open arms. 

 

Rusty's picture

problem areas

Thank you, Mickey. Excellent job pointing out the problem areas in the other comment.

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Predictable

With no disrespect to Mickey's response and point-of-view b/c I welcome all productive means of debate, I must say: Rusty I take no offense in your 'problem' with my comment. I've come to learn it's not just me you always have a problem with--but everything in general. This desperate need to always 'be right' reminds me of a male dog that pisses on everything to mark his territory.  Yawn. 

Logging out, now--:)

Robin Rigby's picture

You know, Rusty & I live in

You know, Rusty & I live in SoCal & we have just as many immigrants (legal & illegal) as any other southwestern state.  In fact, they just said on the news last night that San Diego's border with Baja is the worst in the USA.  To suggest that there isn't racism involved in the any federal or state law regarding illegal immigration when those laws don't come into play in northern states that share a border with Canada or New York, where most European immigrants enter the country, is either being naive or wearing blinders.  

Erika Davis's picture

Is it just me...

or are we moving backwards? 

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Rusty's picture

Not just you and yes we are.

Not just you and yes we are.

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

kielly1313's picture

I'm so embarrassed...

I'm ashamed to admit it, but I live in Arizona. At least I'm in the more progressive southern enclave, Tucson. It's disheartening to find out that so many of my fellow Arizonans and Americans are willing to accept this level of open and institutionalized racism. I sincerely hope that this despicable law is repealed before a boycott devastates my state economically again.

P.S. I won't hold it against any of you if you declince a visit to my home state.

Rusty's picture

sounds like a plan

"If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn't turn out very well for the Native Americans." ~ Stephen Hawking

I posted this on my FB and my friend Lucy LezBang left this comment:

"specially if they land in Arizona and the police wants to see their documents ..."

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Not2Taem's picture

An up side?

This is simply grotesque! The only up side I can see is that despite baggerly BS, it now seems impossible for the feds to avoid doing something on immigration. I may be naive, but I'm still hoping it will be something less asinine than this.

Perverse side note: Is it terrible that I'm kind of enjoying the image of some young redneck cop trying to put Moon in her place? Can you imagine the bottom falling out of the SOB's day and not stopping till it hit the ancestral homeland?  Evil

SMBrown's picture

For eff's sake!

You know all those batshit TeaTwits that are saying Obama's a Socialist/Communist/Fascist (cuz it's all the same thing) are the very ones now backing people having to show 'papers' to the police. 

I guess citizenship comes with the privilege of being ignornant. 

 

geek4grammar's picture

and they don't observe daylight savings!

Yeah, Arizona is just bat-shit crazy, man. They didn't observe MLK day till 1990, and they STILL don't observe daylight savings. I found this out while camping in the grand canyon...we drove out early (5am) and knew we needed gas, so we stopped at the first place we saw, which, according to the sign, would open at 6, which we thought was only 15 minutes away. well, when 6 (or what we thought was 6) came and went, and then 6:30, we eventually left, grumbling about lazy motherfuckers who think they don't have to open on time just cause they're out in the middle of nowhere. then we stopped at a diner, and found out that it was really only 5:45, not 6:45, because...arizona is riding the special bus. seriously, why? I think it's the heat. melts their brains. the scenery is very nice, tho...

We're all born naked. The rest is drag.
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Conlite's picture

Hey!  Don't get pissed

Hey!  Don't get pissed because everyone's not following your clock!  FYI large areas of Canada don't do daylight savings either (eg. Saskatchewan, rural areas of B.C.) including me here.  The main reason they promote it down south in the cities is so that people don't have to use the bus in the dark in the morning (cuz its dangerous).  Up here we don't got buses, and summer daytime and winter nighttime are so long that shuffling things by an hour isn't going to make any difference at all.  So we save ourselves the hassle of being late/early for work twice a year.  Deal with it darling.  Smile

PS - This law is nuts regardless, police should be allowed to use their own best judgement of when to demand papers and expected to be reasonable about it.

geek4grammar's picture

I'm not starting beef w/

I'm not starting beef w/ canada, so chill out dude. I'm just saying that in the US, arizona is the only state that doesn't observe daylight savings, so it's very disorderly-- no one who didn't already know about this weird little arizona quick would think to ask themselves, "gee, I wonder if I'm in a place that observes daylight savings or not?" I wouldn't make those same assumptions outside the US. 

We're all born naked. The rest is drag.
--RuPaul (appropriating Judith Butler for the masses...)

Conlite's picture

Sorry if I sounded a little

Sorry if I sounded a little too agressive, I felt provoked.  Please consider:

- You wouldn't expect every state in the union to be in the same time zone, so why expect them all to observe daylight savings time?  Isn't the point of having separate states that they are not all identical?

- You say not doing daylight savings when everybody else does is "disorderly" and (in the original comment) implies insanity on the part of ones' government.  Yet the cost of of the confusion caused twice every year by people missing that one hour time change runs to millions of dollars.  Some governments feel like dropping daylight savings is in fact the sane choice.

- You say that these definitions of insanity don't apply to Canada.  Thank you! :)   However, you made a clear link between nutjobs who want to abuse non-whites and people who don't do daylight savings - and you're surprised I was offended?

I wasn't trying to drag the whole of Canada into it.  I was simply trying, through illustration, to point out the prejudice in your statements that I'm sure you didn't intend (since you were commenting on Arizona's prejudice at the time).

geek4grammar's picture

um...no, sorry, you're still spazzing

ok, I know I'm in danger of stirring up one of those dreaded "flame-wars" by continuing to respond to this, but what the hell. you're taking my statements in this thread waaaay out of context, dude, seriously. no, I would not expect all the states in the US to be in the same time zone-- but I do expect all the states in the US to use the same map to mutually agree upon all our time zones, so that what I call "eastern standard time" in New York is the same thing that someone in California would call "eastern standard time." we have a mutually agreed-upon system in place, see? the point is that in a country as freakin' huge at the US, we all gotta be on the same page in some basic ways, like agreeing on what time it is. and I agree w/ you that daylight savings isn't a perfect system, and I certainly wasn't the one who decided on it; but yeah, since we have it, I do think it's freaking insane for one state-- one state out of the entire US-- to say, "nah, fuck that. we'll just be in the pacific time zone for half the year and the mountain time zone for the other half of the year." 

all this is admittedly tangential to the kind of insanity that causes bigotry and racial profiling, of course...I wasn't ever really theorizing that they were connected, as I think you probably realize. just sayin' that arizona is weird!

We're all born naked. The rest is drag.
--RuPaul (appropriating Judith Butler for the masses...)

Tex's picture

Flaming those fires!

Not really, you twos! But, Indiana does not observe daylight savings time.

Big smooches to you both - come on down to TX - we'll picnic in triple digit heat, blaring sun, and constant winds as long as time ticks!

Smile

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Tex's picture

Arizona is beautiful....

surprisingly beautiful - Grand Canyon, meteor crater, lava flows, Amerindian ruins, painted desert, saguaros.....surprisingly disheartening - reservations, immigration, bigotry

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SMBrown's picture

Sounds like Nature's got it

Sounds like Nature's got it all over the humans there!  

Tex's picture

It does.

 I will always remember the poverty I saw on an Indian reservation in Arizona. But that's another story.....or is it?

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geek4grammar's picture

try pine ridge...

yeah, when I was driving through pine ridge reservation (which is where the wounded knee massacre of 1973 happened) I remember pulling into a gas station-- the only gas station we'd seen all day-- and the car that pulled up to the spot beside us was so crammed with people, I felt like kind of an asshole for even wondering why they didn't have a car seat for their baby. and then we realized the only grade of gas available was 85, which I didn't even know existed...it took around 15 minutes after filling up for the needle to creep back up to full. it's really, really hard not to feel like an enormous douchebag driving through that kind of poverty in my lil ford focus. not that they're sitting around feeling sorry for themselves or anything. but seeing something totally out of your own context is always good.

We're all born naked. The rest is drag.
--RuPaul (appropriating Judith Butler for the masses...)

Julia Watson's picture

Ugh. My best friend is from

Ugh. My best friend is from Tucson and she's East Indian, but is frequently mistaken for being Mexican. She used to drive from San Diego to Tucson all the time back when we were in college, and even back in the late 90s, as soon as she crossed the border into AZ she would get stopped by the cops like clockwork every 30-60 minutes and asked to show some ID. Racial profiling is nothing new out there. Now it's just way, way scarier.

And then as of yesterday, there's also this: AZ Governor Kills Domestic Partnership Benefits.

Grace Moon's picture

HOLY UGH

double ugh day.

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