Repeal of DADT Won't Happen For at Least Another Year

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Repeal of DADT Won't Happen For at Least Another Year

This week, the highest-ranking leaders of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines appeared before Congress to testify on the repeal of DADT. I got an email this morning from HRC crowing about how military leaders support the strategy of Mullen/Gates to repeal DADT. The way this release is phrased sounds as if DADT will be repealed soon, with overwhelming support of military leaders and public opinion.

Joe Solmonse writes:

The leaders of our military service branches told Congress that they back Adm. Mullen and Secretary Gates’ roadmap for repeal and would absolutely be capable of carrying out orders abolishing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” when Congress and the president send those orders their way.

The testimony given by the service chiefs this week only furthers the belief that whatever orders are handed to them by their superiors, our men and women in uniform will have no trouble carrying out those orders with honor and professionalism.

I'm not arguing with the sentiment of Salmonese' statement, but things sound a bit different on the Marine Times, the official military news website:

The top officers of the Marine Corps and Navy said Wednesday that they oppose repealing the 17-year-old policy banning gays from serving openly in the military until a one-year study on its effects is completed by the Pentagon.

Marine Commandant Gen. James Conway and Navy Adm. Gary Roughead made the point during a budget hearing before the House Armed Services Committee.

“That needs to be done, because only with that information can we talk about the force we have,” Roughead said of the proposed study. “We need to proceed down that path.”

There will be no movement on DADT for a year — after this Mullens/Gates study is done — and then the real discussion can begin. The Advocate is reporting that Senator Lieberman is working on a bill. But again, there is no timetable on when this bill would be introduced into congress or what it would include.

Joe Solomonse and HRC have come under a lot of pressure of late from activists and bloggers who feel Solmonese hasn't done much to move our legislation along. If you've forgotten HRC is our lobby on the Hill, their reason for being is to wheel and deal, and pressure legislators — just like the NRA, the Banks, and big Pharma does for their constituents. One year has passed and we got the Federal Hate Crimes bill passed, a bill that had been sitting in wait, ready since the Bush Administration.

To put this into even better perspective watch this video from the Advocate, where reporter Kerry Eleveld teases out the issues interviewing Solmonese and other activists. You can't help but feel that Solomonse is content at being invited to the table, eating his cake and then bragging that he went. If the LGBT community gets no legislation passed this year, I predict the board at HRC will give Solmonse the boot. And if they don't, then no right minded LGBT person (who is still supporting HRC) should give them another cent.



Comments [68]

peacekitty's picture

*Apologies for breaking away

*Apologies for breaking away from the topic for just a moment but...*

Oh. My. Gosh.  How cute is that picture of Grace Moon against the lamp post?

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Joanne Robertson's picture

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SMBrown's picture

SO cute! (especially since

SO cute!

(especially since her work's in the background)

Conlite's picture

Agreed!  Excellent

Agreed!  Excellent digression!

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Ugh

Anything Obama actually promised going to happen in his first term? (or only term)

I mean the man met with Shakira, (her intentions were good), but I doubt his was. I guess the fantasy about him getting his dick wet got her a meeting with our busy busy president. 

He's talks real sweet but what the fuck is he actually doing?

Rusty's picture

OMG

OMG!!!!! Obama is going to fuck and/or blow the entire cast of Glee!!!!!!:

http://www.afterellen.com/blog/dorothysnarker/glee-gets-presidential

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Not2Taem's picture

Didn't you kids hear the whistle?

Recess is over.

Everyone has had there say, repeatedly. Can we all agree on the splendor of Gleeful snark and let that old Shakira issue go? Besides, the girl's film is starting in 5 minutes.

Glasses

 

Rusty's picture

Nope, I don't think so.

Nope, I don't think so.

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Not2Taem's picture

Enjoying your righteous indignation?

Enjoying your righteous indignation? I bet you like a little combat in the boudoir, too.  Wink

Joanne Robertson's picture

I wasn't offended by that

and I don't know why anyone would think you made that comment because he's multi-racial or "black"? as people refer to him.  I would have thought the same thing about Clinton or Bush meeting Shakira.

Why is any head of state meeting with Shakira? 

Shakira (reportedly) has a brain? and supposedly does charity, but there will be plenty of dinner parties/fundraisers to hear celebrity concerns.  There are some serious issues that need to be sorted right now, and they require man-hours from the people who's job it is to fix them.  This doesn't require Shakira.

I still think people are waiting for a 'Jesus-esque' defining moment from Barack Obama that is never going to come.  a) he's just a flawed human ... and b) that's not because he's not capable of great things, but because the system is set up to make any achievements as slow and painful as possible. 

Yeah, he could definitely "man-up" a bit and stop thinking the other team are going to help him, but I suspect much of Obama's reign will be spent trying to run up hill.  Half the US doesn't want him to achieve his goals (even if they would benefit from them) .... that's unless Obama decides he wants to declare war on someone, in which case he can have, spend, or do whatever the heck he likes (largely without question) until after the fact.

As for him being a "fierce advocate" for the gay community and for the repeal of DADT, I think gays have been duped.  He's so obviously conservative.

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Joanne

Thank you, girl...Smile

Fastgurrrl's picture

Olivia

I wasn't offended either. I don't know why people have to get their panties, thongs, boxers, or whatev all twisted and start attacking and name calling at what they are perceiving to be a supposed attack. Geez ma neez. I feel as uncomfortable with some of my "sisters" on here as I would with an uptight conservative.

JUST SAYIN'

 

minniesota's picture

Fastgurrrl

Ay yi yi.  I wasn't offended for Obama but for Shakira. He's President and I suppose crass comments about his dick are par for the course in this age of crassness. After all, we lived with Bill Clinton's dick hanging out there during his two terms.

But why was I offended for Shakira? Because there is a possibility that someone like the President, actually might want to meet with Shakira about her cause to end poverty for children and to take her thoughts on it seriously.

In any case, unless you haven't noticed, I have declared today to be Shakira Friday. Ay amor me duele tanto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMGqhXwG5Yw

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

Fastgurrrl's picture

Minn

I'm not sure why you felt I was speaking to you, I wasn't. In this blog you never even said you were offended about anything, until referring to Shakira in your reply to me. And, you did not start attacking the "attacker" and labeling her/calling her names.

But, since you replied to me, I want to acknowledge you for being one of the women on here who can be relaxed enough to show her sweet side. 

Rusty's picture

hanging dick

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"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Robin Rigby's picture

"Why is any head of state

"Why is any head of state meeting with Shakira?"

Check out Minnie's post on today's open thread for the answer to that question.  UNICEF ambassadors meet with heads of state all the time.  Nothing new.  

Kelly McCartney's picture

I'm with Mystics on this

I'm with Mystics on this about your comment being offensive. I'm not sure if you're making that joke because he's a man, because he's black, or because he's a black man, but anyway you cut it, it's still offensive and not even funny.

Just because Obama hasn't tackled the gay issues, doesn't mean he hasn't done anything. I'm disappointed in a number of his moves. I understand his wanting to build bridges and be a centrist, even if I disagree with his positions. But those were always his positions. He was always a centrist. I think a lot of people thought because he was half-black that he'd naturally be more progressive. But he's also half-white. His whole existence is based on balancing two sides.

Won't you be my neighbor? @theKELword

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Um

"I'm not sure if you're making that joke because he's a man, because he's black, or because he's a black man,"

What? When did I become racist man hater? ha! Obama could be purple and I wouldn't care, Kelly. 

SMBrown's picture

Well, when you make a crude

Well, when you make a crude ad hominem attack it's hard to know just what informs it.

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Attack...

Oh jeez...it's like 8 years ago when any word against Bush was blasphemy.

Kelly McCartney's picture

Then why? Why make a crack

Then why? Why make a crack like that? It doesn't serve anyone in any way.

Won't you be my neighbor? @theKELword

Rusty's picture

self serving?

"It doesn't serve anyone in any way." Except as an attention-getting device. Ann Couler, Lush Rumball,  and Glenn Beck use the same tactic.

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

what crack?

If you're referring to the one 'crack' about  Shakira--I made it because that's how I feel. Are we all allowed to feel differently or do we all need to agree? 

Robin Rigby's picture

But by implying that no man

But by implying that no man would want to meet with Shakira for any reason other than because he wants to bang her, you are reducing her to a sex object which is degrading to not just Shakira, but all women. And saying that we don't have to agree is not a defense it's an obfuscation. The point is your wisecrack was offensive. If you were trying to say you think Obama's a womanizer I would ask 'where's the evidence'. And suggest you could find a better way to make your point.

Which actually brings me to your blog about Pattison. The title doesn't say that you think he might be gay (your opinion) but that he is. It suggests that he's come out or that there is some evidence you've found when in reality you are just speculating based on nothing.

Grace Moon's picture

Its that time

To agree we are not getting anywhere here.

For the record I wrote Olivia's headline on her last blog, I sometimes edit for google rankings, to build new traffic.

I think we've all expressesed how we feel about sexualizing POTUS v. factual critique of policy.

Lets knock this one off until the next time.

thanks.

xo

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Not2Taem's picture

G'morning Grace,

After sleeping on it, this part of the discussion I choose to continue. After all, if this is not the place to discuss how we are represented by the media, and how that affects our position in society, then where should we do it?

I'm disappointed by the whole titling thing. It is common practice, even good journalism, to create a title that will pull in new readers. This is not just to sell the product, though that is definitely part of it. It also brings more people into what is hopefully an informed discussion. Of course, the other side of the journalistic argument is to never intentionally misrepresent things. I don't have any problem with you messing with titles, though personally I believe all substantive edits should first be cleared with the writer. I do think in this case you made a poor choice and should have known better.

We all make mistakes. I'm glad you let us know this one was yours, not Olivia's.

Grace Moon's picture

Journalism v. Blogging

I take responsibility for that misleading title, Oliva actually recommended i put a "?" at the end of it.

But I didn't, I got side tracked and forgot.

Editors generally get all final edits not writers, that's the nature of the biz.

Also we are not doing journalism we are blogging. There is a big difference, we are regurgitating news and spinning. Every once in a while we are able to do original content, but clearly its not doable or feasible.

If I could show you what key words that people come to this site over, you'd think everyone is an imbicile. They come through catchy key word phrases, " so and so gay", "so and so lesbian" -- this comes up in Google anyletics time and again.

We try and be careful but sometimes we aren't.

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Not2Taem's picture

Yeah, I get all that.

That's why I said personally, I think a writer should be consulted for major edits. I know it isn't the norm. I am very glad to hear that he omission of the question mark was an oversight, and like I said upfront, glad that you took responsibility right away.  As far as the difference between journalism and blogging, with the saturation of 24 hour news, I think the gap is closing, from both directions.

Joanne Robertson's picture

Shakira has

spent most of her career reducing herself to a sex object & trading off it ... her music career has been a very successful created fraud (imo).

However, Shakira knows how to shake her belly and (due to the population size of her market) she makes alot of money for someone, hence they keep rewarding her with industry awards.  I feel the same about Enrique (why are you in We Are The World??) Iglesias and other musically talentless cash cows.

Celebrities can always do more charity work with their millions $ to fix world problems, but I'm not convinced that a celeb taking on a cause does much more than paying lip service to it and adding a glamorous face.

Call me sexist, but don't She-Wolf yourself one day then expect me to take you seriously in politics the next.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMQCbNeUd70

Rusty's picture

I don't think sexist is the

I don't think sexist is the word I'd use.

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Joanne Robertson's picture

Bring it

Rusty.

Grace Moon's picture

This

convo is done.

if you want to continue take it to PM.

I'm going to delete any further public pissing match.

tweet tweet @gracemoon

Robin Rigby's picture

Wrong blog. Oops.

Wrong blog. Oops.

SMBrown's picture

Your crack about Shakira and

Your crack about Shakira and Obama is offensive to me and prevents me from taking seriously whatever you have to say about governance.

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Mystic

Not everybody has to agree on everything. People have different views about certain subjects. Smile

SMBrown's picture

It has nothing to do with

It has nothing to do with agreement--it's about tone.  Republicans and Democrats haven't agreed on much since the dawn of time--that's why there's two parties.  The problem now is not that they don't agree, but that they call each other names and otherwise act disrespectfully.  Then people stop listening--just like I did. 

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

People have different

People have different sensibilities as they do opinions. 

SMBrown's picture

True that!

True that!

Grace Moon's picture

its also not merely about Obama

legislation has to be introduced in order for it to become a law, if there is not enough public pressure for someone to create the bill i.e. Lieberman and before him Gillibrand tried to introduce somthing -- looks like lieberman took that inititive from her (political wrangling among senators yet another blocker)

then nothing will happen the Pres can only pressure his party and sign bills he doesn't create them.

I'm not saying I like the lack of leadership Obama has shown on lgbt issues, but it ain't nothing either.

There are problems with members of congress and there are big problems within the leadership of our community. HRC should be a leader... and instead they are following the pressure put on them by bloggers and the communities diminishing impression of them. HRC represents us when they go to the White House —  you and I don't get to talk to the Pres but they DO, and if they are not expressing the true sentiment of this community, this is a problem.

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Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Real Time

 

They spoke about cock blocker's in congress on Bill Maher (last week or before). He had Wanda Sykes on with Seth MacFarlane with some other really smart liberal people.  Seth talked about the whole Family Guy/Palin thing for a minute, but Wanda said people are being hard on Obama because he's black. 

First it's like "vote for him because he'd be the first black president" now it's like "don't hate on him because he's black"

I realize there's some that have this prejudice, but what about the people of all colors/genders that voted for him that are slowly losing faith in his ability to effectively get shit done? 

Silly, Wanda. It's not all about his skin tone.

minniesota's picture

Um

I didn't vote for him just because he'd be the first black President. But, as we should know from the history FIRSTS--the first woman, the first gay, the first of any unrepresented group to do something--the first is judged not just by what she/he does (or doesn't do) but also by what she/he represents. That's what makes it hard being the first.

~Da Mins

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Firsts

I've been a lot of women's first and it wasn't that hard...:) 

Just lightening it up some...

Rusty's picture

promises

There are websites that actually keep track of what the fuck he's doing. Here's the link to just one of them:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Ah, Rusty

Don't get offended...I'm just not a big Obama fan. Never have been. It's safe to actually say it now that the spell is wearing thin and people aren't going to Dixie Chick me for it. 

Rusty's picture

don't have to be

It's not about being a fan of Obama's. It's about judging objectively. I gave you a link that has his campaign promises and whether he's kept them. I voted for Hillary in the CA primary and Obama in the General Election.

And I'm only offended when people post inaccurate and / or misleading information.

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

He could shit rainbows and I

He could shit rainbows and I still wouldn't be impressed...But I'll check out your link in the morning after I drop the kiddo off for school.

I voted for Hillary but couldn't bring myself to vote for Obama or McCain. I mean the country had already made the decision Oprah told them too...so Obama pretty much had it in the bag. 

Kelly McCartney's picture

You sound like a PUMA. I

You sound like a PUMA.

I honestly feel that Obama supporters would've been more gracious had Hillary been victorious. I'm not saying everyone needs to or should fall in line and follow blindly. But, as you just admitted, nothing Obama does will ever be good enough for you, so why should anyone listen to any criticism you have of him? It's self-admittedly not objective in any way.

Won't you be my neighbor? @theKELword

Olivia Mistelle Maxell's picture

Yeah...

Wow. I never said anybody had to listen. It was my point of view and there's a lot more that agree with me out there. You have yours and I have mine. Two different people with two different points of view...Smile

peacekitty's picture

Hi Kel, I agree with you on

Hi Kel, I agree with you on everything except this:

"I honestly feel that Obama supporters would've been more gracious had Hillary been victorious."

Apparently you didn't read all of the horrendous and hateful comments made about Hillary by Obama supporters over at HuffPo during the Primaries. 

"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"

Kelly McCartney's picture

Different.

That was during the primaries, though. Just like the candidates bash each other during primaries, then come together behind the winner, I know I would've done that. I wouldn't have withheld my vote from Hillary or undercut her in any way even though she wasn't my first choice. And I would've fully supported her as President, unlike what the PUMAs have done with Barry.

Won't you be my neighbor? @theKELword