Diana Cage & Prof C: Gender & Sexuality Part Four

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Diana Cage & Prof C: Gender & Sexuality Part Four

 

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Comments [86]

PH2008's picture

So, the moral of the story is

So, the moral of the story is that gender is FLUID. I hope I'm not reiterating anything anyone has already said on here; I read the comments halfway down and then realised I was running out of time. My wife and I don't subscribe to either "butch" or "femme" persé, but if I had to call myself something it would be femme. My wife looks hot with and without makeup, she's great with tools (read that any way you want), and her place on the butch-femme spectrum would sort of depend on the time of day and her mood at any given moment.

That said, Diana: What happened to your show on OutQ? It makes me sad that you're not on the air.

Steph H's picture

Gotcha - I suffer from asthma

Gotcha - I suffer from asthma too, admittedly very mild, so I know what it's like when the old lungs don't want to play ball.

Well, the snow person is now metling - the eyes and nose have fallen off so it's all looking a bit creepy now...

The tartan scarf is pink - even better eh!! Wink

Not2Taem's picture

Nebs: short for a nebulizer

Nebs: short for a nebulizer treatment. It turns liquid medication into a mist that you inhale. Its Cedar season here, so I get up a little earlier to nudge the lungs into compliance.

So, a little nip and tuck later for the snow-being? TARTan sounds nice. Wink

Dornac's picture

Ellula Perrin was ugly, so...

Ellula Perrin was ugly, so... don't mind !!

hahaha!!

yonks's picture

You tell it yourself:"I

You tell it yourself:"I finished my teenage as a femme, because women preferred to see me as a femme"

France is a hard place for butches, i remember had a book from Elula Perrin (the woman who open the first dyke club in paris)
I open it in the middle and what i read was bitching about the "camionneuses" (truck-driver is how they call butches in france and its not a sweet name even in the dyke mouth)

-Do not follow me, I'M LOST-

Steph H's picture

Nebs?? What be nebs? Well,

Nebs?? What be nebs?

Well, there is a rather androgynous snowman in the back garden with a San Francisco Giants cap and a tartan scarf!! It was too bloody cold to spend time sculpting the lady bits....

Wink

Katie Liederman's picture

the word "genitals" had

the word "genitals" had always made me want to die.

Not2Taem's picture

Well, the center for disease

Well, the center for disease control should love that couple.

Not2Taem's picture

Sorry to have missed you. I'm

Sorry to have missed you. I'm not usually on in the wee hours, but checked in while doing morning nebs then signed off to walk the furry.

How did it go with your ladies?

lucia_2008's picture

I think the key is in the

I think the key is in the word "stone". Wink

Smile...life is good!!!

Dornac's picture

I was a butch during my

I was a butch during my chilhood and my teenage. I finished my teenage as a femme, because women prefered to see me as a femme (not men, and that's interesting how women can be the best leaders of conventions).
Am I a strange sort of transgender but in the opposite direction?
What about my case doctor?

CA_Medicine_Woman's picture

I should be so lucky, lol. :P

I should be so lucky, lol. Tongue

CA_Medicine_Woman's picture

Yeah, that's the definition I

Yeah, that's the definition I would use! Laughing out loud

CA_Medicine_Woman's picture

Geez, sounds pretty one sided

Geez, sounds pretty one sided if you ask me. Where's the fun in that? :8

Steph H's picture

Scoundrel!!! LOL :-) No, I

Scoundrel!!! LOL Smile

No, I was tucked at home with my one (and only GF!!

Not2Taem's picture

One word CLEAVAGE!

One word
CLEAVAGE!

Not2Taem's picture

Making up for the lockout,

Making up for the lockout, LB? Smile

Steph H's picture

Message received and

Message received and understood!!! Wink

Is is the crack of dawn where you are??

Not2Taem's picture

Did you share each with a

Did you share each with a different gal? You scoundrel! Laughing out loud

Not2Taem's picture

Steph, I'm envious! All that

Steph,
I'm envious! All that rolling and patting; Oh my!
Don't forget their hats. Every snow lady needs a very special chapeau to express her personality. Wink

Steph H's picture

Same to you, darling! Can't

Same to you, darling!

Can't get into work today because of the snow - no trains, no buses, no nothing! So all there is to do is drink tea and build snow-women....

S

rovermom's picture

I don't deal with all those

I don't deal with all those names/categories...

They construct a person to be within the limits of it...sorry, why bother? The end up isolating more people then actually freeing them.

minniesota's picture

PSST: Toys.

PSST: Toys.

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

Tex's picture

Whopper of a woman - I love

Whopper of a woman - I love you more and more.....

Twitter Time @kdhales

Tex's picture

Yep, I'm with ya - how do you

Yep, I'm with ya - how do you have lesbian sex without touching genitals? Okay, don't answer that Smile

Twitter Time @kdhales

lucia_2008's picture

Okay here goes: A Stone

Okay here goes:

A Stone Butch is a woman or Genderqueer person who is strongly masculine in character and dress, who tops her partners sexually (and sometimes emotionally), and who does not wish to be touched genitally. Stone Femme is used to describe a femme who bottoms sexually or who wishes not to touch the genitals of her Stone Butch partner.

Stone Butch wants to dominate sexually, but does not want to be touched. Stone Femme wants to be dominated sexually, but does not want to touch her sex partner.

Smile Weird I know, but that's what I got from the definition.

Smile...life is good!!!

lucia_2008's picture

Okay, re-read this: "A Stone

Okay, re-read this:

"A Stone Butch is a woman or Genderqueer person who is strongly masculine in character and dress, who tops her partners sexually (and sometimes emotionally), and who does not wish to be touched genitally. Stone Femme is used to describe a femme who bottoms sexually or who wishes not to touch the genitals of her Stone Butch partner."

Stone Butch wants to sexually dominate but not be touched. Stone Femme wants to be sexually dominated but does not want to touch her sex partner.

So...this makes them a perfect couple. lol!!!

No I don't understand them.

Smile...life is good!!!

lucia_2008's picture

CA...the next time your in

CA...the next time your in Michigan let me know, we can have coffee/tea and discuss this. lol!!!

Smile...life is good!!!

yonks's picture

So prof Crandall, why that

So prof Crandall, why that lily flower on your harm?

-Do not follow me, I'M LOST-

Steph H's picture

Oh, I think there is a lot to

Oh, I think there is a lot to be said for sharing the love.....Wink

I have had an official blow out Sunday - up late, 2 films (one horrendous made for TV job and one unbelievably depressing foreign affair), and just back from a drive to Burger King in the snow!!!!

Hope you are well sweetie xxxx

TheInsomniac's picture

Good one!

Good one!

Insomniac

minniesota's picture

Okay, I concede that second

Okay, I concede that second definition makes things problematic. We should start a matchmaking service to make sure that Stone Butches and Stone Femmes, depending on the definitions, find the right partner so at least someone gets her rocks off. Hah.

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

minniesota's picture

That makes you my friend,

That makes you my friend, Itty!

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

CA_Medicine_Woman's picture

I'm the defacto gender and

I'm the defacto gender and sexuality expert with my company. I train doctors in the medical care of transgender persons. I have considerable psychological and medical training. I've dated straight men and women, gay men and women, trans-men, trans-women, and a few that labels just don't apply to.

And yet, you've managed to find the one area I never heard about, and even managed to confuse the frack out of me.

Excellent work! Looking forward to the next one, and looking for the Smiley with smoke coming out of the ears, lol!

CA_Medicine_Woman's picture

I don't think anyone here

I don't think anyone here would consider you unimaginative, lol!

CA_Medicine_Woman's picture

Then could you please explain

Then could you please explain it to me? My brain just shorted out trying to follow all this, lol!

CA_Medicine_Woman's picture

Yet another reason to be

Yet another reason to be happy I'm single and don't date. If I have to whip out a dictionary of LGBT slang just to know WTF is going on, it kind of takes all the fun right out of it.

I say burn the book of labels and just get busy!

CA_Medicine_Woman's picture

Geez, now I'm even more

Geez, now I'm even more confused than when I started!

itty's picture

I just want to see Minnie's

I just want to see Minnie's rock collection...
what does that make me???
:oops:

LongBeachDogLover's picture

"Some people have used the

"Some people have used the term Stone Femme to describe their identity as a strongly feminine person who tops sexually and wishes to not be touched, but this is much less common."

Minns.......

Okay, that makes sense if that was "stone femme" #1. If it was "stone femme"# 2....... who's she doin' ?? Who's left ?? Who's she gonna top ??

I'm goin' outta my fuckin' mind here....... Laughing out loud

P.S. Did I hear you say something about rocks ?? Wink

minniesota's picture

Yes, they would have sex. A

Yes, they would have sex. A stone butch likes to give to her gal, remember?

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

LongBeachDogLover's picture

Now I’m really, really,

Now I’m really, really, really, really, really confused….. if a stone femme and a stone butch hook-up then they don’t have sex? And, they argue about who would be on top if they did have sex…….even though they would both rather not have their genitals touched.

One question…… why are they lesbians? Oh right, they may not identify as lesbians……… what !? Laughing out loud

If I need a degree in ‘lesbionic piglatin” to get laid, I quit.

It just might be easier to be straight. Shock

Wishin’ I hadn’t read this,

LBDL
xxoo

LongBeachDogLover's picture

Now, that's what I'm talking

Now, that's what I'm talking about....... Laughing out loud

LongBeachDogLover's picture

lucia_2008's picture

You have the logic correct.

You have the logic correct.

Smile...life is good!!!

minniesota's picture

Hmm, okay, I'm trying to

Hmm, okay, I'm trying to picture this. According to that definition, if a stone femme hooks up with a stone butch, then a stone femme doesn't have a need to be "stone" because the stone butch doesn't want her to touch her/him anyway. Is my logic correct?

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

lucia_2008's picture

Confused??

Confused?? Well...NationMaster.com has a definition...

Stone Femme has been used to describe several different kinds of femme (feminine) identities, usually within a broader Dyke identity or culture. People who identify as Stone Femme have patterned the name for their identity after the more widely known term "Stone Butch". A Stone Butch is a woman or Genderqueer person who is strongly masculine in character and dress, who tops her partners sexually (and sometimes emotionally), and who does not wish to be touched genitally. Stone Femme is used to describe a femme who bottoms sexually or who wishes not to touch the genitals of her Stone Butch partner. Dyke or dike is a slang term for lesbian. ... A genderqueer person is part of a group of people who do not fit into the traditional two-gender or gender-binary system. ...
Not all stone butches identify in female terms, some are known to identify with male pronouns, and many stone butches--not all, but many do not identify themselves with lesbian or within the lesbian community.
Some people have used the term Stone Femme to describe their identity as a strongly feminine person who tops sexually and wishes to not be touched, but this is much less common.

Yep...that's a definition.

Smile...life is good!!!

conlite's picture

Questions: Isn't gender the

Questions:
Isn't gender the interface between your body and the culture around you? (A way to communicate who you are sexually to those around you?)

Is the confusion over lesbian genders only a problem because we are constantly asked to explain/justify who we are and what we do? (Heterosexual folk seldom have to explain why they prefer a particular kind of guy/girl/living arrangement.)

Rusty's picture

Also good. Ice cream is my

Also good. Ice cream is my 2nd favorite food group. Right after beer.

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

itty's picture

:lol:

Laughing out loud